Vengeance

[Aclor79]

Vengeance belongs only to the Holy One.

This is one of the suggestions. Does it apply to all vengeance, or just pasta related vengeance?

[Cardinal Fang]

I don't think the Flying Spaghetti Monster is too interested in vengeance.

After all, as the 8 IRRYDs seem to indicate, He seems to be fairly tolerant about most things.

CF

[Qwertyuiopasd]

Venganza is Spanish for Revenge, or Vengeance. Perhaps it simply means that the FSM is the true owner of the website, regardless of how it's hosted, or Bobby's supposed ownership, or any of that.

[Aclor79]

Venganza is Spanish for Revenge, or Vengeance. Perhaps it simply means that the FSM is the true owner of the website, regardless of how it's hosted, or Bobby's supposed ownership, or any of that.

Interesting point. There are two problems though: 1) That could only be the case if the site came before the suggestions, and 2) the rest of the suggestion reads:

Should you happen upon a restaurant that serves pasta that is not up to the standard of the Holy One, simply deny that restaurant your business in the future. You shall not vandalize, burn, harass, or otherwise disturb the peace.

implying that He is talking about real vengeance, and causing my original question about whether it applies to non-pasta-related vengeance. Again though, very interesting connection. Perhaps the website was named venganza for that reason?

[Qwertyuiopasd]

Ah, context is everything. I read that as merely an example of a case where one might want to take vengeance, but does not, for love of the FSM. I don't see much reason to take the term 'vengeance' in this case as pasta specific.

Though, to be sure, pasta related vengeance would be the most offensive to the FSM.

[ET, the Extra Terrestrial]

But conversely, wouldn't pasta-related offensiveness be most worthy of vengeance?

[Aclor79]

Though, to be sure, pasta related vengeance would be the most offensive to the FSM.

But conversely, wouldn't pasta-related offensiveness be most worthy of vengeance?

Yes, but He seems to be saying that He will be the only one to carry out that vengeance.

[àLaCapri]

what to do when our Holiness is mocked upon?
Is it allowed to squirt ketchup or throw tomato sauce at him? Am I allowed to serve this person overly cooked tagliatelle? How about chemical warfare? Can I throw molded parmesan on a mocker's and nonbeliever's plate of bolognese?

these are all ethical and moral questions I'm struggling with. Could someone please give some moral background on these issues?

I've became a believer when I officially left my church in 2006, but this is the first time I join the crowd.

[Almighty Doer of Stuff]

Ahoy!

Generally speaking, Pastafarians don't react to derision with attempts at physical harm and property damage. We prefer to respond to derision with more derision.

I STRONGLY discourage getting yourself sued (or possibly arrested) for deliberately giving your ex-wife food poisoning (possibly killing her) or destroying her clothing.

The FSM is only a wrathful god when He's especially drunk, and even then He feels bad about it afterward. I suggest trying to set a good example for Him. It's unfortunate that we have to be more mature than our deity, but that's generally the case with most religions. We're just more honest about it.

[Qwertyuiopasd]

He also enjoys a good wit, so if someone mocks him, just mock their deity back, or, if better joke can be made, join in and mock His Noodliness along with your acquaintance. One theory is that we were created to cure his cosmic boredom, so as long as the jokes are quality enough, He doesn't mind being the butt of them.

[godslittlemonkey]

Vengeance Is A Dish Best Served Cold; set out vengeance to season for 2 days uncovered, then store loosely covered in a cold place for 17 days. On the 18th day remove and taste. If it is not to your liking or makes you ill throw out the vengeance and wash the container. Or so I've been told...

[black bart]

The next time a Witness of Jo Hova knocks on my door (it has been frequent of late) I may not be able to restrain myself. Can I be absolved in advance?

[pieces o'nine]

Try quoting something from Anton Lavey; that should do the trick.



I quoted from the Papyrus of Ani; that's how I got rid of mine.

[Arkaeon]

From the Online Etymological Dictionary:

“vengeance (n.)
c.1300, from Anglo-Fr. vengeaunce, O.Fr. vengeance "revenge," from vengier "take revenge," from L. vindicare "to set free, claim, avenge" (see vindicate).”

This is a post I decided not to make last year, but now I think I will, because I feel like it and the thread is still active.

“Vengeance” is a story about laws and burdens. In tribal times/societies, the eldars settled all matters according to their wisdom. Then came empires, and the rulers had more to handle than there was time for under the eldar system. Therefore, they made laws convenient to themselves. The Code of Hammurabi was an early version of such laws, including lists of crimes. It had “high” crimes, i.e. high on the list. This is stuff like treason, defrauding the state, rebellion, etc. “Low crimes” were stuff like stealing chickens and public nuisances that didn’t affect the mighty directly, but technically the city guards could deal with them if they wanted. A merchant could bribe the guards to deal with it, at least.

In between is stuff that really matters to people, but didn’t threaten the empire so much individually: murder, rape, cheating in business with private parties. Since these still didn’t always get enforced by the empire, a moral code evolved that the people were honor-bound to see these things got handled somehow.

By classical times (greco-roman/norse) there still wasn’t an effective civil police investigation system by modern standards. If someone murdered your brother, you were “bound by both gods and honor” to set his spirit free of this injustice by taking action yourself. Many believed the murdered spirit could not reach the afterlife until you did. You would declare vengeance-quest in some fashion/ceremony and go after the offender.

This was justified action under the law. You had a claim to it by honor. It freed the world of that evil. You were vindicated in your actions. It had to be done. It was “the country’s justice” in the hands of honorable citizens. In other words, the offender “had it coming” and you were just the “avenging hand of the gods.” You were acting as “Nemesis” as the greeks personified it. You were defending the righteousness of the law. This is vengeance... where the rulers could/did not act in time, the land itself rose up against crime.

These days most people put more trust in the official system and its constitutions, but still the ethic remains. The law needs supporting. When someone tries to create tyranny in a free state, the people must take action. In the USA, where no religion shall be established by the state, trying to institute such religion in state-funded schools is an attempt to make tyranny against the 1st Amendment. The state needed help defending itself against such politics

The people were honor-bound to act in defense of the law, to keep it free. It had to be done. Religious tyrants were trying to subvert the country, so they got a Flying Spaghetti Monster in return, in their face, maybe as a nemesis/totem to guard the law against such partisan attacks. This is justified. It is vindicated action. They had it coming. This is the Vengeance of the Land, and it has been... effective.

[TDKs]

You know what, I can solve this. I asked the Prophet Bobby via the holy medium of email.
He says it was the name he wanted to give his Pirate Ship, not a commandment. Ergo, Vengence (aka, Venganza!) would have indeed belonged to the Holy One.