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Has venganza fallen out with the German branch of the Church? Updated

Postby The Dark Noodle » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:34 am

I am a moderator of the main Facebook group, and several other FSM related Facebook groups, there is a move to set up a group with representative from each countries Church, I am enquiring about whether this place should be represented, as, even though I am not very active in here, historically I feel that this forum is a very important part of The Church of the Flying Spaghetti moister. Rüdiger D. Weida, who runs the German Church, seems adamant that venganza.org has no place in the modern Church.

Turns he thought that I was saying the admins here, should admin the International council too, not what I was thinking at all, his chips seem to be OK
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Re: Has venganza fallen out with the German branch of the Church? Updated

Postby Cardinal Fang » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:04 pm

The only falling out this board has ever had is with a certain individual who shan't be named who keeps trying to steal the Loose Canon and make a quick buck for himself.

I think excluding any grouping, whether it be web based, nationality based, or anything else, on the basis of "has no place in the modern Church" seems to miss the entire point of Pastafarianism, particularly the fact that it is founded on a lack of dogma. The moment people start deciding what does or doesn't "have a place" introduces dogma into the mix where none should be.

Although this forum is quite quiet, compared to the FB page, it also remains where the Loose Cannon is written and compiled, and is still frequented by some of the old handss who've been Pastafarians since the early days, and therefore can act as the "institutional memory" of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism about how things have evolved, and how things came to be as they are.

(2 things: 1 - please share this response with the discussions on the FB page; 2 - although I'm an admin, this reply is speaking personally rather than officially, as one of the oiks who've been knocking around Pastafarianism for a while).

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Re: Has venganza fallen out with the German branch of the Church? Updated

Postby The Dark Noodle » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:32 pm

As I said it was a misunderstanding on Rüdiger 's park, he though I meant that an Admin for here, should be admin of the international group.
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Postby Nef Yoo BlackBeard » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:53 am

dis B tha passyfarryin Mekka
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Postby The Dark Noodle » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:49 am

Nef Yoo BlackBeard wrote:dis B tha passyfarryin Mekka
rrrrr

Aye! Aye!
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Postby The Dark Noodle » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:20 pm

I appear to have been assigned the role of "International Pastafarian Captains Conclave" liaison to the venganza forum.
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Harr harr harr !

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Postby The Dark Noodle » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:43 pm

Do any of the admin, or members of the forum have any input into the main website, or is that all done by Bobby?
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Postby Roy Hunter » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:41 am

The Dark Noodle wrote:Do any of the admin, or members of the forum have any input into the main website, or is that all done by Bobby?

Nope. Just Bobby. He supports the forum (ie pays for it and runs the server), but that is as far as he gets involved these days. AFAIK no-one here is involved in the main site, other than spamming up the comments (which I haven't done in a long time).
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Postby The Dark Noodle » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:48 am

Roy Hunter wrote:
The Dark Noodle wrote:Do any of the admin, or members of the forum have any input into the main website, or is that all done by Bobby?

Nope. Just Bobby. He supports the forum (ie pays for it and runs the server), but that is as far as he gets involved these days. AFAIK no-one here is involved in the main site, other than spamming up the comments (which I haven't done in a long time).

I thought that was the case, but had to ask the question as part of the additional role I seem to have somehow acquired.
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Postby Qwertyuiopasd » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm

We could be like Vatican City, in the sense of being technically it's own sovereign geographic area yet also not exactly a country. The main difference being that we have no authority. In fact, you might say we have the least authority. Which, in Pastafarian logic, would seem to make us the most important of locations. Any questions?
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Postby The Dark Noodle » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:25 pm

Qwertyuiopasd wrote: Any questions?

Is there cake?
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Postby Cardinal Fang » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:18 pm

There was, but I think Neff Yoo got to it.

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Postby The Dark Noodle » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:57 am

The fecking Germans are at it again

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1817534 ... 6698977664

Did Bobby ever legally incorporate The Church or Venganza in America, and if so, does anyone know when?
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Postby The Dark Noodle » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:24 am

The conversation for those that are not in the Farcebook group, Rüdiger seem to have got his nose out of joint with Bobby publish a letter in support of colanderists

Tim wrote: I am personally not a colanderist, but many are, I see the colander as something for the lay Pastafarian to wear, as in The Book of Penelope.

As she idly walked along she heard a voice: “Gird up you loins and follow”. ″Grid up my loins”? she thought, “sounds vaguely naughty”. But as T.V. hadn’t been invented yet Penelope put the Holy Colander on her head and grabbed a handy pair of salad tongs (not the crappy plastic ones but the good solid metal ones). Penelope strode (yep you guessed nobody walked anywhere then, they all strode) through the wilderness. The voice led her through hill and dale (Hill, Dale & Rill attorneys at law in the ancient world).

http://www.loose-canon.info/page9.htm

But when it comes to teaching our beliefs our beliefs I am with, Full Pirate IS the only option.


Rüdiger wrote: I'm sorry, but the LC is just a poorly written and completely unimportant book for us. It can unfeasible change the clear message of the gospel.

We are one of the oldest churches in the world, maybe the first worldwide founded as an association (sept. 2006). That's why we only reacted with astonishment when an Austrian invented the pasta sieve in 2011.
Besides, we have learned from our history. We know exactly what happens when people run after the bad teachings of Austrian leaders. ;)

Nope, Tim, we do not accept the colander.
But if you do that, that's your business. Even if we think this is the really wrong way, because the colander made the pasta fare superficial, we accept that others see it other.



Tim wrote: Many of the writings that make The Loose Canon predate the Gospel, when Bobby published The open Letter, it stated:
"We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it."
At none of the written accounts had been "discovered" so the forum that Bobby set up proceeded to "discover" these written accounts, prophets who these accounts were revealed to included such as Auntie Dee Dee (may she be fully enjoying the Beer Volcano & Stripper Factory) and The Warlord of Elephants, being amongst the earliest admins of the forum. The History The Gospel is entwined with that of The Loose Canon.
The Council do accept that had they been collating the Canon today some parts would not have been included, but it is also the councils position that one canonised a work is not to be removed.

For those originally living at a time and place where there were not others to join together to form a physical Church, the Venganza Forum IS the mother Church, and was founded on Fri Jul 22, 2005.


Rüdiger wrote: Of course the American Venganza Church is the origin and we are very grateful for the phantastic idea. Of course the American Forum is also older than the German one. That only existed since 31.08.2005.
But since when is the American church a registered association, thus an own legal entity?

We wrote to Bobby several times in the early years, but never received an answer. First we got angry, then we found it great. We further developed and adapted the idea ourselves. That's why what Bobby says and what you do in the USA is actually quite unimportant to us now.
What your council has written and decided may be important for American churches. We are completely independent in everything. A prophet is a prophet, you can accept what you want or not. A prophet is not a pope who could prescribe something.

That is not meant evil, but a description of reality. I am also quite sure that Bobby sees it that way and does not want to tell other churches which way to go or that they have to accept any books.


Tim wrote: Venganza is an international forum, I am not American, nor are many of the members, nor are all the admin resident in America, it is not a geographically based Church, but a global one. The Council of the Olive Garden is also made up of people of different nationalities, and residents of different countries.

I am not telling you what books to accept, I am just laying out the history of The Church of The flying Spaghetti Monster as I see it and the significance of that history, and how that makes The Loose Canon, A Really Important Collection of Words.

Yes Bobby can be a little hard to communicate with, but the concept IS his.



Rüdiger wrote: The idea was Bobbys, right.
What kind of concept we make out of it is our thing.

But I would be interested in one more thing, simply as information. When was the American or international church founded as an association with its own legal entity and since when is it non-profit?
Is there perhaps even an overview of which churches worldwide have their own legal entity at all? I know about 10.


Tim wrote: I have no list of Pastafarian legal entities, many feel that to form such an entity, even more so if it seeks tax exemption, goes against the ethos of..
" I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Build multi million-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/ Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator."



Rüdiger wrote: But what about Venganza? Is it a legal entity or just a forum?
If it is a legal person, since when?



Tim wrote:The Venganza dot org domain was registered by Bobby, Whether he maintains that under his own name or has set up a company I would not know.


Rüdiger wrote:Then, Tim, it seems that we are the oldest Pastafarian church in the world, assuming an official foundation as an association or something similar.
We are proud of that.
The 6th I'd Really Rather You Didn't is clearly related to the construction of buildings, not to the creation of non-profit organizations like ours.
But we also have the world's first pastafarian church. Not a new building, but an old stable for pigs and oxen, in the tradition and without financial costs. So everything is fine there as well.
We have been conducting weddings for a long time, we regularly publish the "Word of Friday" for our congregation, we regularly hold pasta masses, which we advertise with street signs, like other churches, we organize demonstrations and annual meetings, in short, we have brought pastafaritum from the Internet into the real world. We also have, or still have, three lawsuits against the state.
All this would not have been possible without the foundation of a non-profit corporation.

Hence our call to all of you:
Found non-profit organizations and become active in real life, as we have already done in Germany and other countries. This is much more important than a next driving licence picture with a colander.


I decided to take time out, but I was thinking of a replay along these lines:

Sorry, I just do not accept the logic of that stance, As I said I do not know the full legalities of what Bobby set up, or the date from which he and whatever incorporation he set up entered into franchise agreements like those with Ring of Fire (dating back to Aug, 2005, a full year before your foundation)

Because you have taken the step of legal incorporation does not give you a higher morel standing within the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, than other non legal incorporated groups, and that of the more open-source approach of Venganza, and that is how I see Pastafarianism, like Linux, many contribute to it, and like the Linux foundation who pick from what the community write to decide what goes into the kernel, Bobby, Venganza forum, and the Council pick contributions from the community to offer to a wider audience via the Canon. Your group is more akin to a Linux vendor who will not use an updated kernel.
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