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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby daftbeaker » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:22 pm

KMill wrote:Then we'll let you eat cake.

:wink:

I'm torn between 'The cake is a lie' and 'Cake or death?'
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby KMill » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:19 pm

daftbeaker wrote:I'm torn between 'The cake is a lie' and 'Cake or death?'


Cake or death is a lie!
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby SomethingClever » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:17 pm

Ok I read most of the tread only to stop reading when I realized the tread was dying and swickstrum wasn't come back, but I still want to get some stuff off my chest as much came to mind through the lenghty read (skim) through.

swickstrum wrote: The amazing thing to me, a Christian, is that anyone - Christian or non - would dedicate this much time to proving or disproving anything at all. What is leading you to do such? Just your "sense of humor (or humour, as the British – who, with such an irritating irreverence to real English continue to misspell this word…lol)?”


Statements of this sort seem to pop up here at quite often, and even amongst the gibberish of the hate mail section they grab my attention above all else for the irony they present. Its kind of like this... A group of people got together to share and discuss a certain ideology, when a dissenting party came in and said "Hey why waste your time promoting these views", only to go on using his own time to continue discuss the merit of our views vs his own. Ok the irony is painfully obvious and so, it is common for one of our member to come along and point this out saying in his own word "see your error, we feel a need to promote our views were it is call for just as you feel a need to defend your views were it is called for, Duh".
Well I have another way of putting that may be more insightful for those untouched by his noodliness. Do you not gather in your churches and amongst your peers to discuss and refine your views of faith? Well we do same here at our little Church of FSM. I was hoping to get Swickstrum's thought on this as he has put so much of his time in to this thus far.

swickstrum wrote: It seems to me that you are overly concerned with things that do not concern you. Let me ask you a question, please. If you do not care whether or not a person believes in God, and by God, I include the Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then why do you insist on driving people away from Him?

How can Jesus hurt the people who do not believe in Him? If you do not believe, then do not believe, fine. The problem with all this FSM mess is that you are leading people who may have become good and powerful Christians astray.


God and all his fabricated parts cant directly hurt anyone because they don't exist. However the concept of God has a very real effects on me and society as a whole. A firm belief in things which are inevident, inhibits one's ability to partake in knowledge impartially, inadvertently promoting ignorance and close-mindednes. Thus it is my belief that religion inhibits movement toward a society that values knowledge and rejects ignorance. To put another way, we can clearly see today that all of societies advancements have come from science and secular philosophy, religion is just a third wheel amongst them.

The rest of the OP is just an absurd misrepressentation of science being torn down over and over again. That being the case I wont even address the rest of it, as I hate the strawman above all else. Honestly it doesnt matter if Darwin's theories are hold true or not. The merits of faith and god will remain unchanged just the same.

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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby daftbeaker » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:45 am

KMill wrote:
daftbeaker wrote:I'm torn between 'The cake is a lie' and 'Cake or death?'


Cake or death is a lie!

No it's not, Eddie Izzard said it :moon:
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby KMill » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:10 am

daftbeaker wrote:No it's not, Eddie Izzard said it :moon:


:lol:

I suspect I won't die due to "not having cake with the vicar"-related illness.
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby edpsych42 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:15 am

How refreshing to at last find a reasoned discussion.
I do however think that it is based on a false understanding of what CFSM is about - please correct me if I'm wrong.
The church is not trying to disprove anything, in fact it appears to celebrate faith. It does however wish to draw clearly the distinction between faith and science and the only thing it objects to is the attempt to pass faith off as science.
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby daftbeaker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:58 am

edpsych42 wrote:How refreshing to at last find a reasoned discussion.
I do however think that it is based on a false understanding of what CFSM is about - please correct me if I'm wrong.
The church is not trying to disprove anything, in fact it appears to celebrate faith. It does however wish to draw clearly the distinction between faith and science and the only thing it objects to is the attempt to pass faith off as science.
Have I got it right?
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Basically, yes. It's not an atheist group (something that needs to be pointed out to every moronic troll that comes past) but a group against having religion taught as science. Science stays in science classes, religion stays in religious classes.

Although the majority of the site is probably atheist or agnostic we have quite a few religious members.
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby TwistedSister » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:01 am

It's true DB about the religious members, I believe that there also a few who worship Satan. :paranoid:
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby bacon » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:55 am

KMill wrote:
Charlie wrote:And Julius, I'll quote scripture with you: Man shall not live on bread alone. Man, I hate bread. Bread, the bane of existence! Why do you taunt me so!


Then we'll let you eat cake.

:wink:


i rather have pie - can i have pie? :idiot:
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby KMill » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:24 pm

You can have a pie if you want... what kind of a pie? A pie with 24 blackbirds?
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby Scott the Pirate » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:25 pm

Rhubarb and lamb. MMMMMMM!

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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby daftbeaker » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:01 pm

TwistedSister wrote:It's true DB about the religious members, I believe that there also a few who worship Satan. :paranoid:

Are you one of them? :paranoid: Just realised I never asked.
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby ET, the Extra Terrestrial » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:13 pm

bacon wrote:
KMill wrote:
Charlie wrote:And Julius, I'll quote scripture with you: Man shall not live on bread alone. Man, I hate bread. Bread, the bane of existence! Why do you taunt me so!


Then we'll let you eat cake.

:wink:


i rather have pie - can i have pie? :idiot:

How about some lovely cake pie?
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens."
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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby KMill » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:26 pm

ET, the Extra Terrestrial wrote:How about some lovely cake pie?


Here, have a piece on me:

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Poor Satan. He'll come for my soul, but he'll leave empty handed.

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Re: A Question from a Christian

Postby ET, the Extra Terrestrial » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:03 pm

That's not on you, that's on a plate. :lech:
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens."
("Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.")
-- Friedrich Schiller (1759–1805)
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
-- Philip K Dick

What happens when all the renewable energy runs out?
-- Victoria Ayling

English isn't much of a language for swearing. When I studied Ancient Greek I was delighted to discover a single word - Rhaphanidosthai - which translates roughly as "Be thou thrust up the fundament with a radish for adultery."


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