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Re: The Video Games Thread

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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby Scott the Pirate » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:17 pm

Julius Aurora wrote:The violence! Those poor little grunts. They are people too you know.


Um... they're really NOT people...
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby black bart » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:44 am

Scott the Pirate wrote:
Julius Aurora wrote:The violence! Those poor little grunts. They are people too you know.


Um... they're really NOT people...


They ARE real people if you are playing online...you can tell because they shout at you in colourful language:

You shot me you *&@@@***!!!!
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby daftbeaker » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:49 am

black bart wrote:You shot me you *&@@@***!!!!

Playing on a PC does seem to limit the amount of foul mouthed children shouting abuse. Unfortunately, it increases the number of complaints of people hacking whenever they lose :shrug:
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby black bart » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:35 pm

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black bart wrote:You shot me you *&@@@***!!!!

Playing on a PC does seem to limit the amount of foul mouthed children shouting abuse. Unfortunately, it increases the number of complaints of people hacking whenever they lose :shrug:


It's not often you get a lot of actual bad language to be honest, after all in most online games people can be voted off by the other players or reported. You do seem to get the occasional player who obviously needs help. Borderlands is a game where you have to cooperate to get anywhere...I get my level 50 friend to help me! I am talking about playstation net by the way, I can't speak for other online gaming forums.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby PKMKII » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:42 pm

Also depends on the type of game. TF2 has very little in the way of foul-mouthed typing/speaking, and like daft said, when it does pop up it's usually in the form of kvetching about hacking/cheating/premium accounts.

Trade chat in WoW, on the other hand... My nickname for my old server was "Maelstrom, the 4chan of WoW servers."
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby gronank » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:04 pm

I think the agrivation connected with loss is proportional with time wasted. in TF2 you rarly loose more than 15 seconds of playtime when you loose. In wow it could be several hours.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby Qwertyuiopasd » Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:53 pm

This is true. I can end up swearing a lot while playing TF2, and our server is by no means FCC approved. But we make sure nothing is really abusive. I generally only insult my fellow clan members who know it's not that serious, and my raging is entirely self-aware. Screaming obscenities about how angry I am at someone for killing me is just my way of enjoying the game, I guess. I'm smiling the whole time I do it, anyway. XD

Though, to be fair, it's not really screaming or my hallmates might have something to say. Swearing, definitely though. But yeah, if someone is actually out of hand or being abusive towards someone, they usually get voted out pretty quick.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby Rainswept » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:29 pm

I've played a bit on querty's server in TF2, and I started WoW recently as well. I've not ran into this thing where u lose hours when you lose at something in wow tho. None of my toons are 85 yet, but I will say that so far wow is FAR FAR more forgiving than FFXI was.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby PKMKII » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:20 pm

Rainswept wrote:I've played a bit on querty's server in TF2, and I started WoW recently as well. I've not ran into this thing where u lose hours when you lose at something in wow tho. None of my toons are 85 yet, but I will say that so far wow is FAR FAR more forgiving than FFXI was.


I believe gronank was referring largely to issues that pop up with raiding:

- Your guild's raid is scheduled for 8pm EST. You sign on a half hour early to get your flasks, specialty equipment, various consumables together. That's a half hour of sitting around in trade.
- 8pm comes around, surprise surprise, three people scheduled for the raid are no-shows. Raid leader starts hunting for fill-ins. 15-30 minutes of sitting in trade.
- Three bosses into raid, first wipe of the raid. Inevitably, one of the fill-ins will flee at the first sign that the raid will be anything but a cakewalk. People have to hearth back to a capital city to hunt for fill-ins again. More time potentially spent in trade. This will probably happen one or two more times during the night.
- Raid ends. You now have to go repair, replace consumables, get new equipment enchanted, sell old equipment/vendor trash, possibly store goods in the guild bank. That's another 30-60 minutes in trade.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby black bart » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:31 am

I killed a VERY BIG monster in borderlands...the size of a small mountain :bounce:

Don't like the sound of all this hanging around trading and stuff.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby Rainswept » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:12 am

PKMKII wrote:
Rainswept wrote:I've played a bit on querty's server in TF2, and I started WoW recently as well. I've not ran into this thing where u lose hours when you lose at something in wow tho. None of my toons are 85 yet, but I will say that so far wow is FAR FAR more forgiving than FFXI was.


I believe gronank was referring largely to issues that pop up with raiding:

- Your guild's raid is scheduled for 8pm EST. You sign on a half hour early to get your flasks, specialty equipment, various consumables together. That's a half hour of sitting around in trade.
- 8pm comes around, surprise surprise, three people scheduled for the raid are no-shows. Raid leader starts hunting for fill-ins. 15-30 minutes of sitting in trade.
- Three bosses into raid, first wipe of the raid. Inevitably, one of the fill-ins will flee at the first sign that the raid will be anything but a cakewalk. People have to hearth back to a capital city to hunt for fill-ins again. More time potentially spent in trade. This will probably happen one or two more times during the night.
- Raid ends. You now have to go repair, replace consumables, get new equipment enchanted, sell old equipment/vendor trash, possibly store goods in the guild bank. That's another 30-60 minutes in trade.


Sounds like a light version of Dynamis. I know my Guild doesn't handle things that way, however. If a few people don't show up for a 25 man raid they split up and go do 2 10-man raids etc.

Dynamis is a raidlike thing in FFXI for 65 people. It takes 4 hours on a run where everything goes perfect, and when it's all said and done an average of 3-4 drops per run have happened, to split between the 65 of you. Also, it costs a million gold just to try, if you wipe once or fail any of the timed objectives the battle is over, and any of the 65 players could cause a wipe at any time by accidental pulls. Oh yeah, Dynamis also only lets you try once every 3 days.


It's all a matter of comparison. I started my toon on 2/18 and he's 77 now. My FFXI character took a solid year to get to 75 (and I played XI more than I play wow)
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Postby Qwertyuiopasd » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:24 am

I like the way City of Heroes/Villains deals with death. You get XP debt, so when you come back you just have to work a little harder to get the XP, but you don't loose that much time. Plus, healers have revive powers, and you can teleport dead bodies around, iirc. And when you hit the cap at level 50, since there's no more xp to get, death is even less of an inconvienence. I mean, you have to get over it to keep fighting, and if everyone dies you have to all go back and try again, but it's reasonable.

The best part is that the highest tier power for the Scrapper class is always a self-revive of some sort. The Scrapper class is the high damage melee character, basically modeled after Batman when he's fighting, or Wolverine (seriously, you can have a claws/self-regeneration scrapper). They're the Leeroy Jenkins of the game. But they work! They can hold their own for a while against a lot of enemies, and if they're high level and they die, they have at least one get out of jail free card with the self-revive. Course, you might just die again and have even more XP debt to work off.

But the XP debt is nice, because you are never out of the game for long, as you can always just teleport to the nearest hospital to be revived, so you keep playing, you're just stuck at one level slightly longer. And of course, there are achievements for paying off debt, so everybody wins.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby PKMKII » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:56 am

Rainswept wrote:It's all a matter of comparison. I started my toon on 2/18 and he's 77 now. My FFXI character took a solid year to get to 75 (and I played XI more than I play wow)


Mind you, they severely reduced the amount of XP needed to level from 1-70 a while back. Back when I first started playing WoW, it took me about 8 months to get from 1-60.
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Re: The Video Games Thread

Postby black bart » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:59 am

You get XP points in Borderlands as well. I was shooting up the ranks but now it's getting hard work.
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