Utterly disgusting...

[PKMKII]

He's very hung up on hating homosexuality is Fred - do you ever wonder why?

You guys are vary hung up and hating "youth"-sexuality. Do you ever wonder why?

Let's see if I can say this an words you can understand.

You are a hateful bigot just like Fred.

Wait, I know who this CommandTako character is!

[Arkaeon]

Have a good night, Roy. I'm still waking up. Gotta love the interwebs and varying schedules. Thanks for your help.

Tako, do you understand what pedophilia is? That's when a grownup, adult person (i.e. over 18) takes advantage of a child (i.e. under 13) sexually. It is a form of rape, because a child cannot understand or deal with the emotional issues of the situation and often causes them a great deal of pain and sorrow and regret. It is a bad thing. Society tries to protect children from this. Adults who do this are officially crazy. Their sexuality is broken. They are supposed to look for other adults, not children.

Two teenagers who are 15 who willingly have sex together is not pedophilia. They may or may not be ready for all the issues that result from the situation, but it is not rape. It's probably just extreme incompetence in action.

Oh, and who is Tako, PKMKII?

[CommanderTako]

Is he saying that pedophilia is a good thing?

I'm saying pedophilia[sic] is natural.

I'll leave saying that pedophilia[sic] is a good thing to the experts. like Robert Bauserman and Bruce Rind in their article
Psychological Correlates of Male Child and Adolescent Sexual Experiences with Adults

Nut my point is that your bigotry and hatred of pedophilia is no better than Fred's bigotry and hatred of homosexual. or any of the other hatreds and bigotries Fred has.

[Arkaeon]

Tako, do yourself a favor and be very careful where you troll like that. There are a lot of men and women who were sexually abused as children who might lose their temper and put a big ol' butcher's knife right through your left eye if you say that stuff in real life. You are no longer being amusing. You have moved into the realm of crass bad taste and attempting to incite riot. You really should not be here. It's a grownup thing.

Dear Moderators:
Tako has now given clear evidence that he is not, in fact, a Poe's Law plant, but a genuinely "disturbed" mind. I am new here, but I'm pretty sure he has gone beyond rationality and acceptable manners. There will be a limit to how long I will share a forum with someone this offensively whacked out. I assume you will come to a similar conclusion on your own, but I wanted to be very clear about my perception of this particular troll.

[Tigger_the_Wing]

I agree with Arkeon.

Tako: take some time out to sober up and realise that what you are now posting is beyond acceptable discourse. If you do not see the errors you have been making, or, indeed, are actually sober and sincere, perhaps you would do well not to return.

[Arkaeon]

Is this the sort of thing that Vincent/Iamtoo/YourSister used to do to get banned? Tako has a self-destructive, kind of manic, incoherent sense about him.

[Tigger_the_Wing]

No, not really similar. Iamtoo actually behaved quite well when he was on his meds. He just got unmanageable when off them. This guy is trolling.

[CommanderTako]

Oh, and who is Tako, PKMKII?

http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2010/09/introduction-pedobear.html
Beware: Pedobead is a known Pastafarian. Just look at that bag of candy he carries!

[CommanderTako]

Why is it OK to hate law abiding Hebephiles and law abiding Ephebophiles?

Who's doing that?

Christians, Feminists and The UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF)

“We view a child as mature when it reaches puberty, not when it’s 18,” said Sheikh Mohammed al-Hazmi, who is a member of the Yemeni parliament.

They also stress that sex outside marriage is adultery, according to Sharia. “We understand that young people are sexually active, but unlike in the West, they can marry here and not partake in immoral behaviour,” said al-Hazmi.

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=88589

Baning marriages of people over 9 isn't just against
It's a Human RIGHTS violation.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

In the Judo-islamic tradition women are of full age at 9

"Adults indulging in child pornography either by purchasing, viewing or producing them, should be subjected to the most severe punishments,"Antonino-Custodio said.

Under the bill, child pornography refers to any representation of a child below 18 years of age, engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities or any representation of the sexual parts of a child primarily for sexual purposes.

The bill provides that the mere possession of drawings, cartoons, digital images, computer-generated images -- even if it is indistinguishable from that of real children engaging in an explicit sexual activity may be penalized with 6 to 12 years imprisonment and a fine of not more than P500,000.

http://www.congress.gov.ph/press/details.php?pressid=3253

“In countries such as the UK, sexual or abusive depictions of children are illegal. Japan currently has restrictions on photographs of children, but the likes of manga and anime are not censored. As a result, problematic images flood out into the world.”
http://www.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20081204-105512.html

UK is with 21 and younger is a child crowed.

What? The age of consent in the UK is 16 for straight and gay sex. It used to be 18 for gay sex but that homophobic bit of legislation was removed a few decades ago.

Male homosexual acts were illegal in Scotland until 1980 when they were decriminalised by the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980, Section 80, which specified an age of consent of 21.
Male homosexual acts were decriminalised under the Sexual Offences Act 1967, Section 1, although the age of consent for such acts was set at 21

By 'youth sexuality' do you mean 'child abuse'?

By 'child abuse' do you mean

knowingly engages in a sexual act with another person who—
(1) has attained the age of 12 years but has not attained the age of 16 years; and
(2) is at least four years younger than the person so engaging;

being 16 years of age or older, the offender engages in sexual penetration with a person who is under 13 years of age or aids, induces, causes, or encourages a person who is under 13 years of age to engage in sexual penetration with another person;

being 16 years of age or older, the offender engages in sexual contact with a person who is under 13 years of age or aids, induces, causes, or encourages a person under 13 years of age to engage in sexual contact with another person

Why is it so hard for you to even consider that someone can engage in sexual acts WITHOUT abusing somebody ?

[DavidH]

Pity - he's got such a nice avatar.

[CommanderTako]

Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none.
...
In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
...
On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

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There are a lot of men and women who were sexually abused as children who might lose their temper and put a big ol' butcher's knife right through your left eye if you say that stuff in real life.

Arkaeon, you got the relation between cause and effect is reversed

I am what the African dialect of English gets called a 'witch'.

Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/17/world/main5392572.shtml

chased and shuffled half the circumference of the world.

It's a grownup thing.

When I am grownup then I will be a real person? Until that time one is only child, a chattels personal; treated no different than an animal.

I am new here, but I'm pretty sure he has gone beyond rationality and acceptable manners.

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"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.
...
"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to.
...
"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.
...
"Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."
...
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

They Thought They Were Free

[Tigger_the_Wing]

Tako, posting irrelevent screeds like the above is trolling.

You were asked, politely, to mend your ways. You have responded with more of the same. Legalising child abuse does not make it moral. I doubt that any reasonable human would allow that Sharia law has anything positive to say about the rights of women and children.

I do not feel that you have anything positive to add. I wonder if you will prove me wrong.

[daftbeaker]

Baning marriages of people over 9 isn't just against
It's a Human RIGHTS violation.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

The important bit is that 'full age' bit. If you're seriously suggesting a nine year old child is of 'full age' with all the sexual implications that brings then I don't want to know you.

UK is with 21 and younger is a child crowed.

What? The age of consent in the UK is 16 for straight and gay sex. It used to be 18 for gay sex but that homophobic bit of legislation was removed a few decades ago.

Male homosexual acts were illegal in Scotland until 1980 when they were decriminalised by the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980, Section 80, which specified an age of consent of 21.
Male homosexual acts were decriminalised under the Sexual Offences Act 1967, Section 1, although the age of consent for such acts was set at 21

You do realise that new legislation takes precedence over older legislation? The age of consent in the UK is 16, regardless of sexual orientation. Dragging up the old legislation from the 1960s is as irrelevant as claiming the UK still has the death penalty due to Capital Punishment Amendment Act 1868

By 'youth sexuality' do you mean 'child abuse'?

Why is it so hard for you to even consider that someone can engage in sexual acts WITHOUT abusing somebody ?

Oh, it's not difficult at all. For me it just has to be people being involved with consent without coercion and being an age where they understand the implications their behaviour has. I fail to see any situation where a grown adult and a child can have any sort of sexual relationship that is not, at the very least, an abuse of trust.

Just so we're clear on this, are you playing devil's advocate or do you genuinely want to have sex with children?

[Arkaeon]

Hey, what do you know?

I've already asserted that Sharia Law should be abolished worldwide as an obstacle against the future advancement of humanity. It is not the only set of laws which invert their purpose to the point of devolving their society, but it is an excellent example of the kind.

I've already mentioned that Nietzschean/Randian social philosophy is juvenile and misanthropic. I'll just add that Nietzsche's most extreme, elitist, and paranoid works were composed while he was progressively insane from tertiary stage syphilis, and he had to be babysat and kept alive by friends (progressively fewer) and family (increasingly distant) because he was incompetent to handle his own affairs. These are the works most adored and emulated by those who wish to declare themselves "beyond good and evil" and therefor "ubermench," seeking to be excused of personal consequences for their outrageous actions...

...and these conclusions from someone who is diagnosable for a "functional" sociopath, because I'm just not stupid enough to think that abject cruelty and sadistic narcissism are a viable way for a species to advance itself. It's a function of sociomathematics. I can consider anything. I'm just capable of realizing what is clearly self-destructive nonsense. Obviously, many people who wish to pamper their unregulated impulses lack this faculty.

I will waste no more time on this case study. It does not amuse or enlighten.

[Rainswept]

Mod intervention time

We're getting pretty far afield here. Seems we've left the arena of discussion and moved into personal attacks, accusations, and both the emotions and the subject matter are getting pretty dicey.

This forum welcomes and even encourages free expression of beliefs, whether we happen to agree with them or not, but by necessities of both law and what's societally accepted as common decency, there have to be some limits. This thread is stepping on those limits.

I personally am extremely uncomfortable with censorship in any form, but this thread has put me in a position of having to impose it. This thread is officially locked, and the staff will discuss removing some of the posts.

I strongly encourage all parties to drop both the budding fueds and the subject matter for the time being.