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Re: Did you hear who died?

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Re: Did you hear who died?

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Nef Yoo BlackBeard wrote:an me wubby teen sukt :furious:

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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby StayThirstyMyAguila » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:04 pm

daftbeaker wrote:same as anyone in the Manhattan Project or a secondary school physics teacher

Correct me if I'm wrong, but secondary school is the English equivalent of high school, no? And no secondary school physics teacher in America has that kind of equipment, unless they specifically specialize in an area that uses the equipment (sorry, couldn't find a better way to word that. It bugs me too).
daftbeaker wrote:The half-spheres completely closed around the plutonium.But they didn't or it would have gone bang. Even if it didn't, Slotin couldn't have separated them in time if they had completely closed.

Yes he could have, there was a hole in the top which he was holding it by (picture a very dangerous bowling ball with only one hole), but that's irrelevant.
daftbeaker wrote:He immediately tasted copper and saw white spots in his eyes.You know this how?

First of all, really? You just HAD to ask?
I know because it's what happens when a human is put under extreme radiation. That and the guys standing behind him experienced similar symptoms, just less so.
daftbeaker wrote:As I've already said, the second demon core incident happened in 1946, after the war had finished

That's my bad, I did this off of memory. Must of been thinking of something else.

EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out on my own. I finally realized why. Though I doubt anyone read it anyways.

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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby daftbeaker » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:31 pm

StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:
daftbeaker wrote:same as anyone in the Manhattan Project or a secondary school physics teacher

Correct me if I'm wrong, but secondary school is the English equivalent of high school, no? And no secondary school physics teacher in America has that kind of equipment, unless they specifically specialize in an area that uses the equipment (sorry, couldn't find a better way to word that. It bugs me too).

Really? I've just had 2 of my colleagues go through radiation handling courses to check they are competent to deal with alpha, beta and gamma radiation sources in front of students. American education is less specialised or more risk averse than I thought, and I was considering a few years abroad in 5 years or so.
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daftbeaker wrote:The half-spheres completely closed around the plutonium.But they didn't or it would have gone bang. Even if it didn't, Slotin couldn't have separated them in time if they had completely closed.

Yes he could have, there was a hole in the top which he was holding it by (picture a very dangerous bowling ball with only one hole), but that's irrelevant.

He was manipulating the beryllium spheres using a screwdriver blade between them. The fact that there was a hole in the top hemisphere is irrelevant - the screwdriver was what was controlling the angle of the top hemisphere. If both beryllium spheres had closed and stayed closed, by the time Slotin had reacted, put a finger in the top hemisphere and lifted it clear it is likely more people in the room would have received a dangerous, if not lethal, dose of radiation.
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daftbeaker wrote:He immediately tasted copper and saw white spots in his eyes.You know this how?

First of all, really? You just HAD to ask?
I know because it's what happens when a human is put under extreme radiation. That and the guys standing behind him experienced similar symptoms, just less so.

Evidence? I couldn't find anything about victim statements from the second demon core incident?
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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby StayThirstyMyAguila » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:50 pm

I'm too done with this to keep quoting it.
Yeah, American education sucks. We already agree on that.

He already had his finger in the hole. He only needed a brief second to realize what had happened. And it was lethal for nearly everyone in the room if I recall correctly.

Fine, hold on . . .
I really need to bookmark stuff more . . .
Okay, so turns out that most sources say that Slotin's body shielded the others from the worst of it . . . just thought I'd throw that in there . . .
Wow. This is the closest thing I could find. From the pictures I've seen and descriptions, some of the others in the room didn't have the benefit of Slotin's body to shield them, and we can at least assume that this happened. I can't find the original article, though.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187670-the-demon-core-a-scary-story-of-sloppy-science-from-the-manhattan-project wrote:Alvin Graves, who was watching over Slotin’s shoulder, survived the incident but developed a host of neurological and vision problems — and died 19 years later of a heart attack, possibly due to the radiation frying his heart. Because Slotin’s body absorbed most of the neutron burst (what a hero), no one else died immediately, but at least two other personnel in the room died over the next 30 years due to radiation-related complications (cancer, anemia).

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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby daftbeaker » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:25 pm

daftbeaker wrote:
StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:I'm too done with this to keep quoting it.

And I am am getting slightly frustrated with your sloppy reporting, non-existent fact-checking and wild hypothesising.


StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:[Slotin] already had his finger in the hole. He only needed a brief second to realize what had happened. And it was lethal for nearly everyone in the room if I recall correctly.

from wikipedia they list 8 people in proximity to the 'demon core' when Slotin had the second criticality incident in 1946. Of the 7 others in the room 2 died in 1965 (19 years after the accident), 1 died in 1975 (29 years after the incident), 1 died in 1998 and 1 died in 2001. 1 other member was described as 'alive and in good health and spirits' in 1978 (no further data) and one was killed in the Korean War in 1952. Hardly 'lethal for everyone in the room' given that most of them lived another 20 years when Slotin barely lived 10 days after the accident.

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StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:He immediately tasted copper and saw white spots in his eyes.You know this how?

First of all, really? You just HAD to ask?
I know because it's what happens when a human is put under extreme radiation. That and the guys standing behind him experienced similar symptoms, just less so.

Evidence? I couldn't find anything about victim statements from the second demon core incident?


Yes, I HAD to ask. You said '[Slotin] immediately tasted copper and saw white spots in his eyes'. Where is your evidence for that or are you going to admit you made it up based on what you thought he would have felt and seen?
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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby StayThirstyMyAguila » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:42 am

Those are normal symptoms of extreme exposure to radiation, and others in the room were farther away and still felt the effects. Thus, by deduction, for lack of a bookmark on the original article, we can safely assume Slotin had the same effects.
And I'll admit that I pulled this out of memory, and that my memory notoriously sucks when it comes to anything but songs and stories.
No, I didn't make it up, I know that I read about Slotin saying that SOMEWHERE, because at the time I read this story I knew almost nothing about radiation, so that piece of information stuck out at me.
It could be that the article doesn't exist any more. I honestly can't find it, and I've tried searching for a while to end this one way or another.

Anyways, who knows who died? 'Cause I sure don't know.

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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby Roy Hunter » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:28 pm

StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:Anyways, who knows who died? 'Cause I sure don't know.
All civilised societies know exactly who died and how. They go to great pains to find out the deceased person's identity and the cause of their death. Just because you don't know does not mean no-one knows.
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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby StayThirstyMyAguila » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:53 pm

I never implied nor said that no one else knew. Your sail tear again? You seem overly aggressive.

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Re: Did you hear who died?

Postby Roy Hunter » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:11 pm

StayThirstyMyAguila wrote:I never implied nor said that no one else knew. Your sail tear again? You seem overly aggressive.

You asked 'who knows who died?' I answered your question in a factual manner. Now, either you were engaging in rhetoric or dialogue; either way your question was answered.

If you want to see overly aggressive, I have an admin control that will wipe your account and your posts from the database, and will block you from re-registering by both IP and email. The Dalek helmet is not so much an allegory as a warning.
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Postby StayThirstyMyAguila » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:15 pm

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Postby Roy Hunter » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:11 pm

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