My response to BBC report

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My response to BBC report

Postby Barti Ddu » Wed May 23, 2007 3:31 am


Thought I'd share this with you. I followed a link from a discussion in General FSM News to a BBC commentary on an article in The New Yorker about the history of atheism - all of it worth a read.

Although I'm only a recent convert (of a few days) to Pastafarianism, I made refererence to Him and to our Church in my reply. Although not directly linked to the education issue (though I did mention it), I hope this doesn't put me in the category of one of those "radical people who consider this the perfect vehicle to spread their inane doctrines."

Anyway, this is what I wrote (linking to this site). Comments welcome.

“Who can say what the landscape will look like once unbelief has enjoyed a past as long as Islam’s—let alone as long as Christianity’s?â€￾ - Anthony Gottlieb

I don’t believe we as a species can afford for it to take as long as that to spread. It’s quite ironic considering that Christians have traditionally used “The end is nighâ€￾ to frighten people into being “savedâ€￾ but looking at the world today, if in 50 yrs time we haven’t been annihilated by religionists (be they religiously driven rogue states or terrorists), we’ll be lucky.

But I seriously think satire could come to the rescue and save the world! If I say to a religious person “What you believe is based on nothing in fact and therefore any claims you make (e.g. that you should get public money to fund your school) is outrageousâ€￾, I am attacking something dear to that person and the conversation is going nowhere. If on the other hand I put an entirely different argument to that person, looking at a situation that’s more distant and possibly avoiding his/her particular religion I may have a chance of sowing some seeds of doubt in the concept of religion itself.

For instance “The Islamists and Zionists are mistaken in their claims to the Temple Mount. We of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster have the true claim to it as He has revealed to us…â€￾ and so on. The only thing we ‘Pastafarians’ don’t have that the others do is a history in the region but a little stretch of the imagination can rationalize up something on that front. Any other argument, on the other hand, attacking the validity of any particular aspect of ‘my belief’ can be turned around to question the validity of the same aspect of their own.

I don’t think the particular numbers or classification of non-believers/atheists etc. matters. What’s required is that more of us find a way of illustrating the ridiculousness of faith before it’s too late - and a parody religion might just do the trick :)

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Postby MPTrooper » Sat May 26, 2007 11:30 am

Religion is going to destroy the world?

I always thought it would be Atheist that would do that. I mean, Soviet Russia was an Atheist state and they tried to drag us into a Nuclear War.

Am I wrong?

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Postby Zankou » Sat May 26, 2007 11:37 am

Didn't read the first post, but, responding to MPTrooper. Isn't Jihad a religous thing?

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Postby EarthRise » Sat May 26, 2007 1:40 pm

MPTrooper wrote:Religion is going to destroy the world?

I always thought it would be Atheist that would do that. I mean, Soviet Russia was an Atheist state and they tried to drag us into a Nuclear War.

Am I wrong?

How exactly do you fight for a lack of something? :D

Nvm, that's me being a smartass. Anyway, Stalin himself said that the Party was not so much an atheist state as a community of anti-religion.

In any case, the point remains: atheists and theists both have the capacities to be brutal, heartless, and total assholes in general. Theists just have the grace of having a religion to blame for their actions.
[...] the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.

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