We need to do something about "parody"

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We need to do something about "parody"

Postby lord potato » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:46 pm

People don't take us seriously because of other sites the refer to us a parody or joke religion. We need to act. Our first target should be wikipedia. We must get them to change it from parody to real. I suggest a petition. We must act!

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Tigger_the_Wing » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:27 am

Why? :confused:

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Julius Aurora » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:40 am

lord potato wrote:People don't take us seriously because of other sites the refer to us a parody or joke religion. We need to act. Our first target should be wikipedia. We must get them to change it from parody to real. I suggest a petition. We must act!


I can see your point, but that may defeat the purpose a bit.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby daftbeaker » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:13 am

This is at least your second thread saying almost exactly the same thing. If you're bothered then go and change it yourself :moon:
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby DavidH » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:51 am

The point is, LP, Pastafarianism is a parody; it was created as such.

I think we Pastafarians form two loose clusters: those who go with Bobby's stated intention only to make a protest againt the teaching of creationism in schools, and those like me who see it as an excellent weapon against religion in general. This difference is also seen in the comments on the front page of the blog.

That's fine by me, we all get along OK and have some good debates, but I doubt there are any of us who really believe it's not a parody.

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Qwertyuiopasd » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:12 am

*raises hand*

I certainly don't see Pastafarianism as a weapon against religion. It's definitely a good tool for arguing with creationists, and it can be used in similar fashion to other fundamentalists and conservative-minded religious people. The main point is to take yourself, especially your religion (or even lack thereof), a little less seriously.

I like practicing Pastafarianism as a "real, non-parody" religion, though. Albeit a rather unique one, because it's even more obviously metaphor. I don't literally believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster and all that, but the FSM is a useful face to give to God (or the absolute, or the great mystery, or the tendency for religion in humans, or whatever) for me to interface with. It's entirely made up, and is even continually being made up, but I believe that's basically true for all religions. I don't think that necessarily detracts from them, though.

I mean, if the whole point of the FSM is that our creation story is just as plausible as creationism, or our Unintelligent Design is just as plausible as their Intelligent Design, then what's to stop the religion as a whole from being just as functional as any other religion?

And no, the fact that I don't actually believe the literal truth of the FSM isn't proof that I'm not actually a "real non-parody" Pastafarian, because the entire point of the religion is that it's made up and not actually true.

Food is a great metaphor for religion.

tl;dr It can be done! Of course, I realize I'm likely in the minority here, and I'm not suggesting we change the wikipedia entry or anything. It definitely is just satire for many people. And Lord Potato, if the point of not calling it a parody any more is only to enhance the parody, then I am against that, since it does need to be clear that it's a parody (when it is one). But I'm also against the idea that no-one uses it as a real religion (again, one that operates rather differently from most, but still identifiably and functionally a religion), since at the very least, I do.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby daftbeaker » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:25 am

You can tell Qwerty's doing a philosophy degree :haha:
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Qwertyuiopasd » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:35 am

Makes perfect sense to me, Roy. That's why I love our Noodly Master and his True* Religion! :haha:

daftbeaker wrote:You can tell Qwerty's doing a philosophy degree :haha:


Philosophy and Religious Studies to be most precise. I'm really hoping I can write my senior thesis on Pastafarianism in some way.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby lord potato » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:21 pm

You all bring up excellent points and I do apologize for making a second topic, I felt a bit vague in last one. Now as qwerty said, some of us actually practice pastafarianism( I, for one.) and some do not. Now, as pointed out, all religions parody themselves (technically). But most religions may recognize other religions, but as I see it we are currently that " weird religion". Personally, I don't like the term parody, to me it reads "fake" and to put it into an analogy we are like that baseball team that says we are in the MLB, but no one beliefs it. You see what I'm saying? I kinda feel like I was beating around the bush...

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Tigger_the_Wing » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:55 am

I dress as a pirate every Friday that I'm well enough to go out. I decorated my bicycle with a Jolly Roger, a pirate teddy bear and a little pirate ship which stay on all the time, not just Fridays. I have made a Flying Spaghetti Monster who sometimes accompanies me on my rides. I even have pirate stickers all over my wheelchair. I can do a pretty good pirate accent and respond to comments about my garb by waving my cutlass and saying "Yaaarrgh! Ye should always be a Pyrate on Fridays!" or similar. :fsm_yarr:

So I am probably as close to a 'serious' practitioner of Pastafarianism as one can get; but I would be desperately disappointed if I, or anyone else, was expected to take it seriously. :bummer:

There are far too many serious religions with serious followers as it is. Let's show people that religion can, no… should, be fun! :haha:

If they laugh, so much the better. That gives me permission to laugh at their religious practices! :evilgrin:

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby lord potato » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:40 pm

I agree with tig. We need to be legit, but that fun religion. No need for dogma.

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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Ubi Dubium » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:38 pm

I teach a class of sixth graders at the local UU. And I always wear my Pirate Hat. I have not explained the meaning of they hat to them (I will though, in lesson #15, "How do I know what to believe"), but If I show up without it, they'll immediately ask "where's your hat?"

And, we almost always have some kind of pasta on Fridays; the Ubikids will object if we don't.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Ubi Dubius » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:50 pm

Ubi Dubium wrote:I teach a class of sixth graders at the local UU. And I always wear my Pirate Hat. I have not explained the meaning of they hat to them (I will though, in lesson #15, "How do I know what to believe"), but If I show up without it, they'll immediately ask "where's your hat?"

And, we almost always have some kind of pasta on Fridays; the Ubikids will object if we don't.

Actually, we've skipped two lately and they haven't said a word. At least not to me.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Ubi Dubium » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:35 am

Skipped the Pasta, that is, not the hat-wearing.
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Re: We need to do something about "parody"

Postby Arkaeon » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:14 am

"If you know what you do, you are blessed. If you do not know what you do, you are accursed." -- Jesus on violating the sabbath for practical necessities, or not being deluded by dogma to the point of self-injury.

As a guest on this forum or among this religion, I would encourage the Pastafarian community to consider itself as more or other than a parody. A parody is a mockery for the sake of humor or commentary, an antithesis to make a point. Sure, the original Open Letter was a parody of ID, but CotFSM has gone beyond that now. If the parody was all it meant, there would only be one thread on this forum: ID vs Science. No one would wear a pirate hat or eat pasta on friday because of their CotFSM involvement. There would be no need for a Loose Canon, no 10 Suggestions, no pirate parties except to protest creationism, and so on.

Once people have made relations among themselves independent of the parody and start observing rituals and principles of the Pastafarian code "en situ," it has become a real religion. It serves all the purposes of any older religion. It is a non-exclusive religion, an intelligently designed religion, a religion that recognizes the limits of religion to determine the observable truth, a modern, agnostic religion if you will. A religion or spirituality does not have to be deluded by its own metaphors to have real religious benefit -- it is the failure of older religions to recognize this principle that makes them dangerous to humanity in the first place, their essential corruption and dishonesty.

Do you derive comfort, communion, enlightenment, entertainment, and/or education from your Pastafarian ways and interactions, well apart from the specific issue of the creationism vs science issue; and do you also realize that FSM is an intellectual construct and metaphor for the haphazard nature of human belief systems? Do you and numerous others sport/wear clothes, items, and symbols and artifacts of this religion in your daily life as part of your declared social identity? Congratulations, you are not deluded, you are taking part in a real religion! Both the clinical definition of delusion and the functional definition of religion support this conclusion. The basis of religion is not really some inner unsubstantiated belief, it is about practice and application of principles and values in your life. Pastafarianism is very much a real religion, thoroughly self-aware of its principles, by this argument, and it should be recognized as such by the internet and intellectual communities, and by governments of free nations.

It doesn't matter if the FSM is "true" or not, scientifically. No religion's mythos can be proven "true" by that standard. If it were, it would just be science. The right for a group to maintain a separate or additional legitimate value set and symbols and call it religion is protected by law in the better nations of modern times. CotFSM is a beneficent, self-aware, individually tolerant, scientifically supportive religion that holds high moral ground by this standard.
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